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By Hadou
#6393
Tout sur les foils Cabrinha FUSION H650 / H800 / H1000 / H1200

Site du fabricant / Page du modèle : https://www.cabrinha.com/products/fusion-h-series-wings

H650- 650cm², WS 720, AR 7.9, Chord 125mm
H800- 800cm², WS 900, AR 9.9, Chord 125mm
H1000- 1000cm², WS 900, AR 8.1, Chord 155mm
H1200- 1200cm², WS 900, AR 6.7, Chord 185mm

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#6410
je vais bientôt pouvoir vous proposer de tester les CAB-FUSION H-WING en H1000 et H1200 avec mat carbon 80cm ou bien mat Alu 90cm.
Test shop à venir avec Holywing Pornichet (44).

En attendant en test privé en ce moment sur mon home spot "La Turballe/Pen Bron" ou autre spot en fonction des conditions.
- CAB-Hybrid mat 90cm avec X-Wing 1300 et 1600
- Mantis 2021 (5 et 4m), Crosswing X3 (5 et 6m)
- en Kitesurf 2022 en ce moment_ DRIFTER (7 et 9m), Contra 11m, Switchblade 10m, Moto 12m.

Contacter moi via FB et messenger "JP Bouvet"
@+ JP
#8237
I, m ussually more a reader as I can,t write french, but tested the H1200 and wrote a bit about it.
Hopefully its okay to post in English is as well.

Tested: Cabrinha H-Fusion 1200
Range of use: light air foil/wave/freeride.
Specs
H1200- 1200cm², WS 900, AR 6.7, Chord 185mm
Mast: 80cm
Stab: 420mm, 180 cm², AR 9.8

Me: 48yu old, Dutch, non sponsored 95kg strapless rider with average skills and a big love for riding waves and swell at the North sea and sometimes the lakes.

I am good friends with shop owner Marco from WakeStyle.eu where I get a lot of my gear and he called me up two weeks ago with his Italian accent:
Jeroen, I tried a Cabrinha Fusion 1200 demo, it's a bellissima reallllllly verry good lightwind foil and I'm very enthusiastic about it, you should try it!
Well I am a huge shizlefetishist so if you want to try something you don't have to offer that twice :).

At 5-6 at Trintelhaven (a spot at the IJselmeer the biggest dutch lake and used 100y ago still sea!) with decreasing wind I first did a lap with my own set: AK5.8x90l (I was 97kg, now trimmed down to 94kg), 5m and SAB1110 high aspect foil and 5m.
The set had great power and bizarre glide, but was limited in maneuverability by the huge wingspan.
Swapped with Marco his Cabrinha Code 88l with the Cabrinha H Fusion1200 foil.
Remarkably, in light airs the Cabrinha with 90cm wingspan is faster than my Sab 1110, very close in glide but almost as maneuvrable as my Kujira1210. In surface the Cab1200 and Sab1110 are very close but the Sab has an whopping 21cm more wingspan!
The wind dropped quickly but I could play with the Cab set up for half an hour and what struck me immediately is the High aspect feeling: as if you hardly have any drag. At the same time, the Cabrinha is much more manoeuvrable than my 1110 and has a very low stall speed and glide. Interesting!
The wind quickly died down and Marco asked if I could borrow it for a week to try it further. Yes of course!

In the afternoon at home I had a good look at the foil.
I noticed that the finish was very nice, very light, thin profile and safe rounded corners.
The mast is very thin and a piece of art, but apart from that, there is nothing special about the set.
Nothing in the picture that makes you think Lightweight foil, because in everything it looks like a midwind foil a la Kujira1210/Sab945 but apparently appearances are deceiving...
The past week I have been able to sail the foil under my AK5.8x90l 6 times in varying conditions:
4m on the Westeinderplassen (lake),
6m on Bloemendaal in the swell (sea),
5m on Wijk in small bumps(sea),
5m, on Wijk with an onshore shoulderhigh swell (sea),
5m Bloemendaal in some mega chop/bumps with no real line (sea)
5m Westeinderplassen(lake).

What stands out:
getting going and straight line performance:
The foil is despite 1200 surface really a light weather foil. Nice with a 5m, but with a 4m it is big and less in place than with a 6.
If you forget about 1200cm2 and 90cm surface area for a moment and just think lightweather foil, it is surprisingly fast, faster than a Kujira 1210 which is more of a midweather foil for me, faster than my Sab1110 and not much inferior to the 1100 which has a whopping 2100cm2!
If you fly it, it has very little drag for a light-air foil.
Most foils for light/midweather feel more draggy, this one is downright slippery in lightweather, the harder you go/the more the wind blows, the more you will notice some drag, but even then it is quite a special feeling.
Whether that is the foil or the combo with the thin mast I do not know.
I have a Project Cedrus mast that is very stiff, but the thin Cabrinha mast feels very flexible for my "lightweight". In the westeinder klots I find it too slack, at sea I noticed much less, but it seems to make the set a bit nervous.

Turning/riding and Stallspeed:
Most lightweather foils have a low stall speed, but are also characterised by a larger turning radius and are not very reactive in the turns. The Cab can also have a low stall speed, but stands out because its turns are equivalent to midweather foils like Kujira1210 and Sab945.
Glide is superb, making wave riding a joy.
When you ride a wave, the harder you go, the more pressure you build on your front foot. The Cab has much less of this, which is quite a special feeling in the beginning. The - in my experience - quite flexible mast that I didn't like so much in the chop when sailing straight ahead, seems to be able to really loaden in the turn, where the energy seems to come back out later. Consequence even on a very weak hip high Wijk and Bloemendaal wind waves I could really turn nice with it to a level that just does not fit light weather.
Conclusion: It sails just like a mid-weather foil but in low winds with the low launching threshold and stall speed that fits a much bigger lightweather foil.
Looking at the foil again, I see nothing special, and the only logical explanation for how it sails is that Keahi de Aboitiz has sprinkled the foils with a little Magic Dust.
So because there is no such thing as an finished quiver I've ordered a 1200 set with stab (and the 1000 as well), and see if I can say goodbeye to some stuff that I use less,

Because the mast felt very smooth but also too flexy I will be sailing this set with my Project Cedrus mast.

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#8767
@Canyon83,
I have the H800 on order but not tried yet.
The 1200 and 1000 are very easy to use both with a low stallspeed. Comprable to a foil 200/300cm2 bigger but without the downsides.
Compared to my Takuma Kujira1210 the H1000 is probably as quickly up the foil but creates less frontfoot pressure when you get on a wave. In slow soft waves the Kujira has a bit more glide as the H1000, the H1200 is very close to the 1440 but without the big wingspan.
#8775
Hi Jurf !

Thanks for your feedbacks. It exactly shows what i read and is totaly in line with the various feedbacks i had on this foil
What about the mast? Lot of people are prettt negative about it’s flex? Can you tell us? Against the alu set mast of the kujira or other foils ?
#8819
The mast is really thin and light and you feel almost no drag.
The downside is that it is quite flexible and nervous when going in a straight line.
I,m 94kg and for me its too soft because every bit of chop makes it twist when sailing out or when going fast DTL in a straight line. With the aloy Takuma mast I had the same problem btw.

The big difference is in the turn. There the Takuma was for me too soft and nervous as well, simply unussable.
But the carbon Cabrinha allows you really to pre-load the mast and let it spring back in the topturns.
2th to that, where the aloy takuma felt for my weight a bit unreliable in the turn the Cab gives trust and when loaded in a turn a bit of suspensioned feel, probably due the pre-load that it filters out some chop.

Overall
It is a really nice mast and I think an topmast for sub 70kg guys, but I prefer it with my Cedrus.
You feel a drag difference, but the extra stiffness gives me so much more control and confidence that its the best combo for now for me. In a perfect world they make a very similar cabinha mast with Cedrus levels of stiffness, but I guess you can,t have both :(

About the "drag":
The H1000 felt with my cedrus in the beginning slow compared to the Cabrinha carbon mast. but that was in small slow windswell without much power.
a couple of weeks ago we had a day with proper fast and 3m waves. Suddenly the H1000-Cedrus combo came alive and went scary fast DTL, A LOT faster then I would dare with the Cabrinha mast because of all the flex! It just needs more juicy waves as the wind waves/short period mush we usually have.

In 2 weeks we go to Brandon Ireland I,m pretty sure I will love the set over there
#10657
Hey ! I just got the H800 and H1000 From Cabrinha for testing.
I will plug them on my No Limitz Mast with Stringy's adapter .

The built quality and overall feeling while mounting the foil is awesome. let's see the glide, carving and pumping speed now !
Everybody seem to like this one. The H800 remind me a little bit of the Lift 120
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#10678
canyon83 a écrit : mer. nov. 09, 2022 8:49 pm Hi Jurf,

Sorry, I've just only seen your message concerning the H800, thanks for it.
Have you been able to try it ?
Hi Sorry for the late reply but yes used it 3 times now.
I was a bit suprised by how little it needs in wind/speed. I mean, i,m 93/95kg so for my weight it is a rather small foil but the take off is pretty easy. Once flying it is a lot faster as the H1000 but also with lots of control
The stall speed is a bit higher as with the Cab H1000, but it isnt that I drop out of air as soon as I go below Mach1 speeds. Its very useable
I can,t compare it to other foils of that size, but for my 93kg its perfectly doable and great in bigger waves.
The lonly foil I tried that comes close is the SabW1000. Thatone is 1m wide instead of 90cm and 987cm2 instead of the 800 of the Cabrinha, but they are similar in stallspeed and topend speed, but the Cabrinha is for me way easier to contyrol. This might be partly due the longer fuse, but I wouldnt dare to take that one into the waves we got here (Chaos!!) while I love the Cabrinha H800.

The word is that they come for 2023 with some extra sizes of the Hseries that are more high aspect. Not sure If I want that, as i,m really happy with my current setup of the 800-1000-1200
They also come with hollow very stiff masts (I have one on pre order at my favourite shop). The current very thin mast are probably great for light people, but like the alu Kujira masts, too soft/flexible for my weight
#10679
Hadou a écrit : sam. nov. 12, 2022 6:31 am Hey ! I just got the H800 and H1000 From Cabrinha for testing.

Hadou, do you use a stringy adapter on the No Limitz build for Takuma?,or do they build an system alike Project Cedrus with mutliple adapters?
#10695
Non absolument pas ! SCOTCH NOT ALLOWED 😀😀

Tu n'as pas du voir comment est fait le mat No limitz.

En fait, Le mat a une embase bleue. tout va bien. c'est juste la couleur de la pièce usinée

et je peux te dire, l'adaptateur , tu le rentres au CHAUSSE PIED ! 😝😝

PS : ah oups ! si tu parlais du fuselage Takuma a gauche, t'a l'oeil, mais là c'est de la guaine thermo PVC.
je vais faire un micro tuto la dessus. on en avait fait un avec Vincent de chez Takoon pour leur chaine Youtube d'ailleurs 👍
#10697
Jurf a écrit : sam. nov. 12, 2022 4:56 pm
Hi Sorry for the late reply but yes used it 3 times now.
I was a bit suprised by how little it needs in wind/speed. I mean, i,m 93/95kg so for my weight it is a rather small foil but the take off is pretty easy. Once flying it is a lot faster as the H1000 but also with lots of control
The stall speed is a bit higher as with the Cab H1000, but it isnt that I drop out of air as soon as I go below Mach1 speeds. Its very useable
I can,t compare it to other foils of that size, but for my 93kg its perfectly doable and great in bigger waves.
The lonly foil I tried that comes close is the SabW1000. Thatone is 1m wide instead of 90cm and 987cm2 instead of the 800 of the Cabrinha, but they are similar in stallspeed and topend speed, but the Cabrinha is for me way easier to contyrol. This might be partly due the longer fuse, but I wouldnt dare to take that one into the waves we got here (Chaos!!) while I love the Cabrinha H800.

The word is that they come for 2023 with some extra sizes of the Hseries that are more high aspect. Not sure If I want that, as i,m really happy with my current setup of the 800-1000-1200
They also come with hollow very stiff masts (I have one on pre order at my favourite shop). The current very thin mast are probably great for light people, but like the alu Kujira masts, too soft/flexible for my weight
Thanks a lot for your answer Jurf.
Very interesting so I should give it a try (H800), maybe also Hadou could tell us his opinion (only if the blue scotch has managed to stiffen enough the connexion between mast and fuselage adapter, also used to eliminate the play between Takuma fuselage and its front wing :D ;) )

Ah grillé par Hadou :D
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